#2319 – Rick Doblin

In episode #2319 of 'The Joe Rogan Experience,' Rick Doblin, an influential figure in psychedelic research, discusses his recent trip to Ukraine, where he trained therapists and psychiatrists in MDMA-assisted therapy amidst the ongoing conflict. Despite the legality issues surrounding Schedule I drugs in Ukraine, Doblin emphasizes the country's urgent need to address the widespread trauma and the government's steps towards legislative changes. The conversation shifts to the historical context of MDMA, with Doblin recounting its journey from therapeutic use to illegal status in 1985, and the subsequent legal battles with the DEA. He shares personal anecdotes, including interactions with Larry Hagman, and details the challenges and frustrations experienced over the years in attempting to legalize psychedelics for therapeutic use. Doblin also touches on the importance of psychedelic therapies in treating PTSD among military personnel and the bipartisan support it has garnered, including from figures like Rick Perry. The episode covers the slow progress of legalization and the potential benefits of psychedelics in societal healing, emphasizing the need for a new mindset to avoid catastrophe, as per Albert Einstein's warning. The conversation concludes with Doblin's vision for the future, advocating for mass mental health improvement and global access to psychedelic therapies.